Climbing the ramp to the entrance level reveals more windows and doors These doors provide access to the disused portion of the upper level mezzanine, which has steps leading to the disused portion of the intermediate level mezzanine (which in turn leads directly to the unfinished station). On the opposite side, from Eastern Parkway to Empire Blvd, the slope descends 66 feet. For a first phase, I could see going only as far as Clarendon Road and the following trackage. From the South 4th St station to Eastern Parkway is another 3 miles which would parallel the existing J/M/Z trains. The new IND subway replaced the BMT Fulton Street El. The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. Whats needed for this to work, however, is the rebuilding of the Rogers Junction, the junction of the trunk and the Nostrand Ave Line at Franklin Ave. On the Utica Ave. subway, a half-baked idea with no champion written by Benjamin Kabak February 28, 2017 The Utica Ave. subway extension has once again disappeared into the ether of New York City politics. Imagine what kinds of service could be offered if that block-long tunnel was ever built! Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. As per your proposal. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. Mayor Bill de Blasio has asked the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to examine bringing No. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. And normal service would still be able to run. PABT-Times Square awkward? This would boost capacity and turn around time on the entire 7th Ave express line. This was built into the station as a provision for the proposed Utica Avenue Line, which is why the station itself has no exits to Utica Avenue. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. This leaves the possibility of resurrecting the Worth St Line, a branch off the 8th Ave local that would split south of Canal St and head east via Worth St and East Broadway. On narrow right of way, place one track at ground level and the other above. Then a tunnel would have to be built just outside the station. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. station. There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. Messing that up is messing a lot of commuters daily commute. still hanging up there and apparently needing the dead space over ENY The junction is built awkwardly where the tunnels are twisting in such a way to become bi-level. 8. Run it through there to the Culver line where it can be the additional service that justifies reopening the express level. Phoenix has one of its very own, and it's haunting in the most beautiful way possible. Another diamond crossover, east of here, connects the southbound express track to a ramp down to the lower level. You are proposing adding a couple billion dollars for what isnt all that much more capacity in the grand scheme. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. I just disagree with a Worth St subway being the best choice, since unlike the Second Avenue tracks, the Eighth Av local does have capacity constraints in the railroad north direction (both CPW local and 53 St have two services each, which is about as much as you want to push on a pair of tracks before service gets too unreliable). Median not wide enough for a true viaduct? I disagree that people can just simply take a bus, but extending the Nostrand Av line south is needed. MTA. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. In the 1929 plan, one set of tracks would have led down Stuyvesant Ave., crossing the IND Fulton St. Line at Utica Ave. where another shell station and some unused mezzanines live and continuing down Utica Ave. and to Marine Park. A 2 track line would only require half the space, 45 feet and with 100ft lots this leaves room for an ingenious workaround. 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Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. RPA proposes extending the line on a gradual diagonal from 25th Street and 11th Avenue to Ninth Avenue and 14th Street, with a Station at 25th/23rd between 11th and 10th Avenues. When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. The station spacing was done to keep costs down. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Now most likely a shuttle will run service between Utica and New Lots and Flatbush and President. And theres no room there for it. Also, that wasnt a smart move, moving the 3 and 5 so that all local trains past Franklin Av are linked up together, and all express trains past Franklin Av are linked until Utica, except ones local and the others still express.Most passangers at Flatbush Av( I should know, this is part of my daily commute) In fact Id discount any curve adjacent to a station by about 50%. [2] It is also served by the B46 and B46 SBS bus lines. Oh shit I forgot I was playing with skip-stop. But the plan wound up being abandoned after the IND subway was built along Central Park West. Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. 7. Between this station and Ralph Avenue, there is a fifth track between the express tracks, which could be used for storage or turning trains, although it is not normally used. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. That gives you much more cacapity to work with than just the 10 tph you be stuck with via your plan (assuming you mean to have it be the Queens Blvd branch of 2nd Ave). is still only two flights up. Its an extremely clever plan that I and many other would have never of came up with but there are some wholes that are worth being built up. We dont need to tear down the EL. But thats not necessarily for the bad. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. So we really have to make the most out of the small extensions for now. This would provide more flexibility, even though all the lines that would be connected have transfers to each other at Fulton Street in Manhattan. An article today about from Second Avenue Sagas about the 7 line extension station at Hudson Yards, awaiting passengers as the rest of the mega development is completed, reminded us of these.. There were homes here and there, but the area was full of empty lots until the postwar years. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. And as mentioned before, an IRT branch off of Eastern Pkwy should be built instead to reduce this amount of cost, except the (3) should be rerouted there instead of the (5). Jamaica Center would probably be a notch or two higher if it had been designed as terminal and could handle all E train runs. Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. Better to have SAS Williamsburg via the 9th St storage tracks and SAS Fulton local as the obvious trunk line that needs new capacity. The application was approved, and the IRT extension opened on May 1, 1908. When the booth and turnstile bank are closed, three HEET turnstiles and one exit-only turnstile provide access to/from the entrance. Theyll meet up down the road. Flatbush Ave is extra wide along this section and the median would be used to create a safer traffic pattern. So theres a source of northern capacity right there. 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When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. Where do you get 10TPH from? [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. Keep in mind that they wouldnt remove the existing switches so that trains from Brooklyn College could still reverse at Franklin and access New Lots or Utica. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. Youve recognized its unused capacity and proposed filling it by connection to Jamaica Ave.; a Utica Ave. branch could work as well.. 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This is to avoid overcrowding issues at Franklin/Nevins, and to provide more alternatives along each corridor. Yet youd have it built to B division clearances. Have higher ceilings and most likely some sort of air cooling system for comfort. Have a design contest; results Part of why I wanted to write this post was to point out the downsides to going with an IND style Utica Ave over IRT. The I-beams and other steel work along the track walls are painted in dark blue. BED-STUY, BROOKLYN A person was hit and killed by a train at Utica Avenue station in Bed-Stuy on Wednesday morning, according to the MTA and FDNY. But Utica predates 2nd Ave by at least a decade. Taking this one step further this also supposes that, as the Worth St Line was to serve a similar catchment area as the BMT Centre Street Line (J train) that the new subways through the Lower East Side would replace the Centre St Line, thus leaving it up for abandonment (if this seems too preposterous keep in mind that half of this line is already, for all intents and purposes, abandoned). But I think it was for a different one than the four you give. Abandoned Stations List; . The incident happened inside the Utica Avenue subway station in Brooklyn on Christmas Eve. Nice ideas so far! challenge. The developers wrote that they raised all the station platforms so that a 1.5% grade would help the trains accelerate. Drawing fantasy lines on paper is far more fun when you have unlimited possibilities but if we are planning out a project today there are some real world considerations that come first. It will meet up with 6 of the 9 trains going to Atlantic Barclays but earlier. 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